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Bryon · 2012-06-05 12:46:14

Both "Photos only RSS feed" and "Complete RSS feed (photos, comments)" give the exact same information... all of it. They both pass all titles, links, photos, and neither gives the actual picture description but rather the link to where the picture is... is called a description.

I just upgraded to 2.3.4, hoping that it would change, but it did not. In fact, the upgrade wiped out about half of the css work that I spent a couple of days working on. No problem, live and learn (never ever trust a theme even if you copy and rename it and store it in a different folder). You know, there are way too many issues with piwigo for me to even think about using it in the near future. The administration section is extremely confusing, one has to jump all over the place to get any one thing done. Then there are the strangely worded descriptions on EVERYTHING that makes me wonder if I didn't spend 38 years learning English and did it all wrong. I'm a native English speaker, born and raised speaking it, yet Piwigo makes my brain feel like I am translating everything twice. Sorry, that's just the truth. It's extremely annoying and I can not handle it any more.

You guys are very nice people. You are all gifted and I hate to say this but I can't deal with this any more. Nice is just not enough. Features need to be functional and once something is functional it needs to be easily understood. I get neither of those with piwigo. I'm not going to another gallery script I'm just removing gallery function from my sites completely, all of them are a pita.

flop25 · 2012-06-05 14:22:01

Hello

we do appreciate criticism, no matter if it's positive or not. You seems disappointed by the English translation ; ok but you could explain us what was wrong and help us improving translations and english documentations.

In fact, the upgrade wiped out about half of the css work that I spent a couple of days working on. No problem, live and learn (never ever trust a theme even if you copy and rename it and store it in a different folder).

I think you forgot to or should read the paragraph talking of themeconf.inc.php in http://piwigo.org/doc/doku.php?id=dev:theme_creation Because if you didn't change the Theme URI, it has been upgraded from its original repository

About the RSS flux, it's a marginal use but I agree the feature should be improved

We all makes mistakes but we just want to never do them again :)

plg · 2012-06-05 14:46:32

As flop25 said, we would be pleased to receive your help on English translations. Most of us in the coding team do not have English as primary language. This is why our English might not be perfect :-) With your help, I'm sure we'll make it better!

Billr · 2012-06-05 18:35:38

Hi Byron,
I've been cleaning up the English translation for the extensions. You're right in that, at times, I've been totally clueless as to what is meant by the English that is translated from French by the developers. It can take research and a couple days before I understand.

It's ok to let go of some things. Why you need to let go, though, is sometimes more clear from reflection. From your post, I can see you are frustrated from losing your customization and that not all things are clear with Piwigo from the get-go.

Personally, I can't recall anything in my 30 years of dealing with computers that is easy and clear from the get-go. There's always something about any product, whether it be hardware or software, that throws a monkey wrench in the works. Windows is pita, Linux takes a geek, Mac is for artists, every piece of software needs a steep learning curve and some things that should work don't and you need to find a work-around.

I hope you're able to step back from your frustration and start again, considering what has been offered to you in this thread.

Like what has been asked in previous posts here: what English translation tripped you up? I, or others who work on the English translations, may be able to do something about it. But, as also is indicated, we're woefully short of English editors and could use a bit of help.

Bill

Bryon · 2012-06-05 20:12:44

Guys, I am not an "English Nazi". Sorry if I came across like one. There are many ways to say everything there is to say. A native French speaker would say "The apple it had fallen off of the table. We were not aware that it had. The day continued until the end before we had noticed it.". A native English speaker would say "The apple fell off of the table. None of us noticed until the end of the day.". Both of those are proper English yet one of them says something simple in a simple way.

Please just browse the Extensions and read a few descriptions. Many are not directly translatable because they are not clear enough to know what is being described. In other words many people would love to help but they would have to learn the functions of dozens of Modifications in order to even know what words to use. If I had that amount of time and/or interest I would help but I don't. More importantly I don't think anyone else does either.

I have a couple of questions for everyone here that may help you to understand the importance of this subject.

1) Can you find even 1 English language piwigo installation that has more than 10 users?

2) If so can you find another similar installation that has 100 users? (I do not mean commenters. I mean registered users who upload their own pictures.)

Administrating piwigo is an act of patience. To do almost anything a person has to click something in the left column, find, understand and then click on something in the middle area. Once they have done that they are told to do something else. Are they told, in any way, that to do that they must again click something in the left column, go somewhere else, click something in the middle and then come back to where they had just been? Usually not. But can any of you say that administrating users, photos, albums and permissions is easy? How about permissions and groups? Do you think that new users (non administrators) have a clue as to why their pictures do not show up until a week after they had uploaded them? I do. It is because the administrators are so confused by jumping through a million hoops that they do not know where they are let alone where they should be... or what they should do to get their grandmother's pictures accessible to grandma but not Timmy.

It's a plug-in hell. You guys are so "Democratic" about the process that there is only a Congress, no President, no Vice President and no Speaker. That has lead to a technical free-for-all, a circus with no center stage, a symphony with no conductor or theme. Get rid of nearly all of the plug-ins! Include the functions of those that are good in the core and consider all of the others beta, testing, ie: dangerous. Then streamline the administration until there is no more need to jump from here to there to there to there to some other place to get any one thing done. That is my best advise and my full rant. Thanks for hanging in there! And by the way Congrats on the new President! FINALLY!!! Someone with the balls to stand up to the nuclear industry (hopefully).

flop25 · 2012-06-05 20:25:01

interesting but
-I'm not sure you've tried any CMS before ; truly customizing Wp is as hard as for Piwigo or even harder
-you seems more interested in a community -because you write "users who upload their own pictures."- but Piwigo is not made for that natively. Some other script, mainly from Us, have a core more 'social'
-the extensions form a jungle with a large variety of species, as any other software (ie Firefox, Wordpress etc)

mistic100 · 2012-06-05 20:32:10

Bryon wrote:
Administrating piwigo is an act of patience. .... grandma but not Timmy.

Quote me one software (not only web galleries) with as many functions as Piwigo which is entirely intuitive, I don't think any exists.

OK you say it's complicated , but take our place 5 minutes : WE develop this software, we know how it's work, and can't really know where is the difficulty, we need people like you to help us improve it

Bryon wrote:
It's a plug-in hell. ... stand up to the nuclear industry (hopefully).

I not sure to understand what uour are saying... Do you mean that we should instaure a strict verification of published plugins ? that not humanly possible (we are volunteers here) and totally against our policy.

Piwigo is designed to be highly modular, not like other softwares which are very nice and as optimized, but it's a hell to add a feature yourself

Bryon · 2012-06-05 20:35:12

flop25 wrote:
-I'm not sure you've tried any CMS before ; truly customizing Wp is as hard as for Piwigo or even harder

I use Textpattern for my sites because WP is also plug-in hell.

flop25 wrote:
-you seems more interested in a community -because you write "users who upload their own pictures."- but Piwigo is not made for that natively. Some other script, mainly from Us, have a core more 'social'

Gallery2/3 are more socially constructed but they are hideous and their functions can better be performed by modifying a forum such as SMF or phpbb because they are so difficult to tie into other systems.

flop25 wrote:
-the extensions form a jungle with a large variety of species, as any other software (ie Firefox, Wordpress etc)

Correct, a jungle when it should be a zoo ie: a safer place to visit than the Congo when you are only armed with your wit.

flop25 · 2012-06-05 20:41:03

Bryon wrote:
flop25 wrote:
-the extensions form a jungle with a large variety of species, as any other software (ie Firefox, Wordpress etc)
Correct, a jungle when it should be a zoo ie: a safer place to visit than the Congo when you are only armed with your wit.

Omgosh !!! thank you for that laugh ! You've just illuminated my end of the day :D

Bryon wrote:
I use Textpattern for my sites because WP is also plug-in hell.

Okay now I understand much better what kind of user you are. So arguing again is pointless. You want a KISS software with just the features you want, and no more. No flexibility -because it implies a lack of simplicity- but just what you need. Well sorry but you will never find that here

Bryon · 2012-06-05 20:45:44

mistic100 wrote:
Quote me one software (not only web galleries) with as many functions as Piwigo which is entirely intuitive, I don't think any exists.

OK you say it's complicated , but take our place 5 minutes : WE develop this software, we know how it's work, and can't really know where is the difficulty, we need people like you to help us improve it

Everything has complications. Not everything is burdensome or overly stocked with them. I understand the need for feedback or I wouldn't be here.

mistic100 wrote:
Bryon wrote:
It's a plug-in hell. ... stand up to the nuclear industry (hopefully).
I not sure to understand what uour are saying... Do you mean that we should instaure a strict verification of published plugins ? that not humanly possible (we are volunteers here) and totally against our policy.

Piwigo is designed to be highly modular, not like other softwares which are very nice and as optimized, but it's a hell to add a feature yourself

I was hinting toward a system such as FreeBSD's. Submitters are not Contributors. Anyone can write and Submit a "port" but not everyone can Contribute to the core. There is a point that can be reached when trying to be too Democratic... a point where there is no Democracy or any other form of government. That point is usually reached when the majority is afraid of offending others or, more likely, when the most powerful in a group are more interested in using problems as incentives to gain more problem fixers than they are to just solve the problems. Imagine someone being more interested in having a larger Community than a more functional Community regardless of size.

plg · 2012-06-05 21:00:38

Piwigo is a community driven project. Extensions are not filtered, anybody can distribute his extension and as long as he complies with license, we help him to do so thanks to http://piwigo.org/ext

Adding a feature into the core is not as "easy" as creating a plugin and distributing it. Piwigo has a team and a leader.

I'm sorry if you find that Piwigo administration is not easy. We work on improving it release after release.

Bryon · 2012-06-05 21:10:58

To clarify somewhat: Consider Linux. How many distributions are there? 6 large, 20 medium sized and about 200 small? Now consider BSD. 3 Large and maybe 5 medium sized variants? And what is the difference between Linux and BSD? They are both based upon (U)nix. How different could they be? One is not a kernel or a stable operating system but rather a stack while the other is a kernel and a fully functional operating system. One relies upon gathering a mass of "submitters" while the other relies upon a core of "contributors" and considers submissions as "ports" ie: dangerous / use at own risk. One spawns another distribution every other week while the other spawns a variant once every 2 to 3 years. One tries to be everything to everyone, the other tries to be the best at what it does.

I know plg. I just think Piwigo is running in circles and it's complexities are making everyone dizzy.

plg · 2012-06-05 21:23:18

In my opinion, extensions are a strength for Piwigo, not a weakness.

Piwigo core does not try to be everything to everyone. Extensions can do that, not the core.

Billr · 2012-06-06 15:27:49

Byron,
I felt the same way about the complexities when I first started but have since come to understand that the core of Piwigo is simple because it's main purpose is to offer up a simple site for those who simply want to display their pictures. Simple.

It's when someone wants to do more that it gets complicated. I wanted to do everything so I ended up trying about 75 plugins. I've ended up keeping 60. I could probably do a lot less but my site is just so darn cool. ;-)

I made it a multi-media experience: photos, videos, sound effects and music shared and contributed to by my whole family (and some not-so-family but eh ...).

Piwigo does it. That simple "show-your-photos" Piwigo for a lone artist is able to be changed into a multimedia experience for a whole family through it's plugins and themes.

Yes, the English can still be better (let me know what extension doesn't seem English enough I'll take a look at it) and the plugins (extensions) need how-to's, but everything is a work in progress. The new 2.4 about to come out will be really cool with watermarks, dynamic picture re-sizing and some reorganizing of admin pages (yay! right?).

Bill

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